Hey Paul, the Party is Over

For the past six weeks, the Celtics have partied like rock stars. There was the parade in Boston, a weekend of big parties in Vegas (and that four hour massage) and numerous appearances on late night talk shows. But upon hearing that Paul Pierce was pulled over and nearly busted for DUI, it’s time to flick on the lights and scream “Last call!” I’m sure Danny, Doc and Wyc are thinking the same thing. We don’t want anything to tarnish our moment in the spotlight, especially news of the Finals MVP getting in trouble with the law. Let’s go fellas, it’s time to start those off-season training programs.

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50 Responses

  1. Passing 3 sobriety tests, INCLUDING being below the legal limit on a Breathalyzer is “ALMOST BUSTED for DUI”?

    Way to exaggerate just like all the dumbass tabloids there, Chuckie.

    Paul got pulled over for DWB (Driving While Black), and then made a scene with the dumbass cops because:

    1. He WASN’T DRUNK, Not even close.

    2. Because the cops were in the wrong.

  2. Driving while Black my black ass…Guess he was the only Black driving around Vegas that night…Paul know his ass was high that’s why he took a cab…I’m glad the cops did their job, probably saved a life pulling him over. Things won’t get any better when he comes back to Boston. Next time he gets pulled over in Boston it will be in the media… We got KG/RA we don’t have to put up with Paul’s ignorant ass bs anymore. The least the Cs could do is make KG co-captain next season…

  3. Rick.

    You’re an idiot.

  4. Sorry Danno…can’t agree with you on this one. If Pierce was stone cold sober…there wouldn’t have been a need for the 2nd or 3rd test. Not sure how you can cry racism from a distance. Do you know if the cops were black or white?

  5. Sorry BigMck, but after the FIRST sobriety test, they should have let him go. They do with anyone else.

    We all know Paul. We’ve seen countless interviews with him.

    Stone Cold sober, the guy mumbles, speaks in a semi-southern drawl/accent(even though he’s from LA) and is ALWAYS joking around and laughing.

    The cops probably got pissed at him because he didn’t take them seriously.

    Because he WASN’T drunk.

    If he was, he would have failed the Breathalyzer, even if he passed the field sobriety tests.

    He took a cab because he realized it’s not worth the extra embarrassment to deal with these idiot hardass cops 0once you’re on their paranoid Radar.

    And seriously – Are you clowns actually suggesting that Paul Pierce shouldn’t be the captain of the Celtics anymore because he got pulled over and WASN’T charged with anything? You’ve gotta be kidding me.

  6. “Sorry BigMck, but after the FIRST sobriety test, they should have let him go. They do with anyone else.”

    Not true – you can be subjected to a number of tests. Just because you can touch your nose with the points of your fingers doesn’t mean you are drunk. Alcohol affects people differently, hence the need for different tests. One that tests dexterity and another that tests alertness… another that tests mental faculties.

    “We all know Paul.”

    No we don’t. We don’t know any of these people, personally, so we’re not sure what they are capable of. Atlanta thought they knew Michael Vick too. He seemed like a nice guy.

    I think he should still be team captain, agreed. Getting cuffed and sent home in a cab isn’t a big deal. This could happen if you’re exhausted too.

  7. The Breathalyzer leaves no doubts. The legal limit .08 BAC in Nevada is the same as Mass. You would fail even if you’d only had 1 drink. That is not anywhere near drunk. Especially if you’re a 6’7″ 200lb athlete in way better shape than anyone posting here.

    He didn’t fail.

    He wasn’t “sent home in a cab”. he CHOSE to call a cab.

  8. From the latest article:

    A Breathalyzer showed Pierce registered below the 0.08 level that defines legal intoxication in Nevada.

    Pierce did not drive the car after he was stopped.

    “He made a decision to have one of the valets park his car for the night,” Cassell said.

    Police did not cite Pierce for a traffic infraction.

    “We don’t cite everybody we stop,” Cassell said. “Sometimes we give just a verbal warning. It’s based on the totality of the circumstances.”

    So yeah –

    1. he wasn’t cited for anything.

    2. he passed the breathalyzer.

    3. he decided ON HIS OWN to valet his car for the night.

    Can we stop exaggerating and fibbing about what happened now?

    Thanks.

  9. If the Breathalyzer leaves no doubts, and Pierce is in such good shape, why did he elect to take a cab? Why not drive?

    He’s not drunk… he’s not high… I would have driven.

    As it turns out, he had been drinking. I don’t know if having a drink and then driving is such a good idea, no matter how tall or in shape you are.

  10. BigMck,

    A wise and considered response. Wiser and more considered than Pierce’s behavior.

    No one can dispute Pierce’s great talent and skills. With him it seems to always have been a matter of judgment, and here we go again.

    He finally begins to establish a champion’s legacy and then follows it up by insisting he’s the best player in the world, partying into August, getting handcuffed, etc. Shades of standing on scorer’s tables, ripping your shirt off, wrapping your head in fake bandages, claiming to be the classic great player on a bad team, etc.! This is not how champions, at least Celtic champions, behave.

    Why does he have to do this? Any suggestions? To me it looks like he’s always trying to overcompensate, show that he’s more, of whatever, than he’s perceived by others to be.

    Maybe being drafted seven spots behind KU teammate LaFrentz? Younger brother syndrome again?

  11. “With him it seems to always have been a matter of judgment, and here we go again.”

    JACK, I’m curious what you’re speaking about here. What has he done in the past?

  12. “If the Breathalyzer leaves no doubts, and Pierce is in such good shape, why did he elect to take a cab? Why not drive?

    He’s not drunk… he’s not high… I would have driven.

    As it turns out, he had been drinking. I don’t know if having a drink and then driving is such a good idea, no matter how tall or in shape you are.”

    Because once you’re on the cops radar, it’s not worth tempting them.

  13. Seriously,

    You guys are a bunch of reactionary goofballs, taking 1/4 of what really happened from a TABLOID article, and stringing the guy up and lynching him.

    Cut the Shit, seriously.

  14. Pierce did the smart thing by taking the cab….he clearly was not 100% sober – which you don’t have to be to pass a breathalyzer.

    Danno and Jack are both on opposite ends of the spectrum here….I’m not coming down hard on Pierce….what happened was unfortunate…I just want him to start focusing on basketball again. He’s been celebrating for 6 – 7 weeks now.

  15. “Because once you’re on the cops radar, it’s not worth tempting them.”

    Entrapment by Estoppel.

    “…applies when, acting with actual or apparent authority, a government official affirmatively assures the defendant that certain conduct is legal and the defendant reasonably believes that official.”

    If the police were to let Pierce drive and then arrested him shortly after, the police would be violating the law.

  16. Danno – the information came from a Las Vegas newspaper. Didn’t you read the follow-up post? Or in your defense of everything Paul Pierce, do you refuse to read new information?

  17. “Because once you’re on the cops radar, it’s not worth tempting them.”

    Entrapment by Estoppel.

    “…applies when, acting with actual or apparent authority, a government official affirmatively assures the defendant that certain conduct is legal and the defendant reasonably believes that official.”

    If the police were to let Pierce drive and then arrested him shortly after, the police would be violating the law.”

    that’s only if they arrest him for the SAME violation.

    If they let him drive and then forgot to signal as he pulled away, they could just as easily pull him over again.

    the fact is, THEY LET HIM DRIVE, and he chose to valet his car.

    You guy want to assume he chose not to drive because he was guilty. Just like the Cops assumed as much when they pulled him over, even though with 3 different sobriety tests, they could not.

  18. Danno – the information came from a Las Vegas newspaper. Didn’t you read the follow-up post? Or in your defense of everything Paul Pierce, do you refuse to read new information?

    the information I POSTED came from a Las Vegas Newspaper, where the officer clearly stated that Paul was not cited for anything, and was not found to be over the limit.

    The original article on the story where the story was taht he was handcuffed and rowdy was from TMZ.com

  19. “…that’s only if they arrest him for the SAME violation.”
    Not necessarily. “Suitable to drive…” has some broad connotations to it.

    “the fact is, THEY LET HIM DRIVE, and he chose to valet his car.”
    Why?

    “You guy want to assume he chose not to drive because he was guilty.”
    I never said he was guilty of anything. I was simply asking why he chose to do what he did.

    The more that comes out about this, the more we see the cops doing what they are required to do.

  20. And the more that comes out, it seems that Paul did what was probably the smart move as well.

    But everybody wants to complain about him acting up, every when he takes the proper, reasoned move and opts NOT to drive.

    I didn’t see all you guys whining about Posey coming to Boston after getting pulled over in Miami.

  21. DreinLA,

    Let me make this one point very clear. I consider Paul Pierce a truly gifted basketball player, one of the best players I’ve ever seen play. I agree with Heinsohn’s claim that Pierce is the best offensive player the Celtics have ever had. He’s even ‘old school’ great.

    About the only real weakness you can cite in his actual game is “bad judgment.” In the past, on weaker teams, that poor judgment was more evident, as in quick three’s, driving into traffic, lazy passes, questionable effort, jawing with the coach, etc.

    But it’s in non-basketball related areas, areas that are personality related, where he also exercises poor judgment. Why would anyone consider it a good idea, in a string of non championship seasons, to continually refer to himself as a “great” player? Even Shaq publicly deferred to Kobe, and that only when holding the trophy.

    What judgment goes into getting yourself kicked out of a playoff game, tearing off your shirt, appearing at a press conference in fake bandages? How does it just happen that you get blackballed off the national team?

    Yeah, none of these are capital crimes, but his desire to get attention, recognition, esteem, approbation, props, call it what you will, seems to cloud his judgment.

    I mean, if you’re selected the MVP of the Finals, what more is there to need? Let it alone. Put the trophy down and get back to your profession.

  22. Danno, you’re really all over the map here. For instance, you claimed, “You guys are a bunch of reactionary goofballs…” while claiming, “Paul got pulled over for DWB (Driving While Black)…” and “Cops are 99% overgrown high school bullies who are professionally dumb…” I think you’re projecting a bit.

    The reasonable response to this situation is, “Pierce may have exhibited poor judgment initially. Let’s home this is the last time he does this.” That’s far more reasonable than first claiming:

    A. We know Pierce.
    B. The cops in LVPD are racist and bullies.
    C. Pierce was set up.

    One lesson life has taught me is that just because an act isn’t illegal, doesn’t mean it is the right thing to do. As much as Pierce has to lose in life, his decision making should reflect accordingly. Does he really need to drink and drive? Does anyone really need to do that?

    The same judgment was levied on Kobe by this site many times.

    Pierce isn’t necessarily a bad person – he should remain the captain of the team. And he shouldn’t be traded (I’m reading that on other Celtics news sites).

  23. JACK, you didn’t have to validate your opinion of Pierce’s abilities – I gathered you appreciated him as a player. I was merely looking to learn more about his off-court behavior. Nothing came to mind, immediately, so I had to ask.

    I would classify his “bandage” routine and his claims to being a great player as simple goofiness. This is just my opinion. I think we’d all prefer him to wrap t-shirts around his head rather than drinking and driving.

    Overall, I sense this theme of “humility” from your response and I respect that. The humble champion is the true champion, in my opinion.

  24. And my personal opinion –

    Paul Pierce is an adult, and can do in his spare time whatever he chooses.

    I don’t want to snoop around looking for things to blame on him, any more than I want my own name plastered all over some ridiculous tabloid. But especially because – at the end of the day – He DIDN’T do anything wrong, and wasn’t cited for anything.

    This is a complete NON story. If this were such a problem – we should have never signed James Posey last year. Nor Sam Cassell. BOTH of them have had brushes with the law/been pulled over and CONVICTED of DUI.

    I never said Pierce was set up. He was pulled over on the Vegas strip for erratic driving. The cops gave him a sobriety test and found nothing. He got upset. They gave him MORE sobriety tests and STILL found NOTHING.

    You said earlier “He was in fact Drinking”.

    Really? You know this for a fact? You saw him drinking? He admitted it?

    The answer to all of those^ is a resounding NO. You don’t know jack about what happened, or where Paul was, or what he had been doing that night, any more than I do.

  25. Danno:

    The fact is Paul didn’t get pulled over for DWB as you claimed. I take umbrage with anyone that drives after drinking; especially if there are traces of other drugs in their system. We all know it’s bad to drink and drive and drugs and alcohol should never mix. As for KG being Co-Captain think he deserves the consideration and it has nothing to do with this PP bs…Being called an idiot by you I’m still laughing my black ass off… DWB-too funny…stop it my stomach aches…LOL

  26. Everyone with a shred of decency or common sense takes umbrage with Drinking and Driving.

    Paul Pierce WASN’T Drinking and Driving.

  27. Rick Riley.

    Laughing his Black ass off.

    Must Be Black Irish.

  28. Danno:

    I’ll admit to being naïve about sobriety tests…So please tell me if he wasn’t drinking at all would his test still be .08 or whatever.

  29. The LIMIT is .08 on the breathalyzer in Nevada.

    His Breathalyzer test was BELOW that amount. Which means even IF had he been drinking at any point that day, it was hours before, and not anywhere near enough to impair his ability to drive.

    They didn’t state what Paul’s reading was. Suffice to say, if it was below .08, it’s irrelevant.

  30. Also – just to shed a little more light on this situation, especially for all of those people who think Paul is “Still out in Vegas Partying when he should be getting ready for next season”.

    Quoted from another celtics related site:

    “Pierce lives in Vegas in the offseason. It was only mentioned about 100 times how he and KG hung out/talked when he was in Vegas before KG said ok to the trade.”

  31. Danno:

    Fun and jokes aside I’m Black not Black Irish nor an idiot. However, you didn’t answer my question. What I wanted to know is, if a person didn’t drink alcohol, a single drop. Would they still show up on one of those test as below .08…Take Paul out of this for a minute…Thanks

  32. You could register a reading of below .08 if you had rinsed your mouth with various brands of mouthwash.

    And no where in any of the articles did it state what Pierce’s breathalyzer reading was.

    It could well have been 0.

  33. I know Paul has a condo in Las Vegas and homes in LA, his ass was still out partying when he got pulled over 3 in the morning…Btw, it seems the folks that was with him sent TMZ the video..(claims from another site)

  34. Danno:

    Some mouthwash contains alcohol…My question about the test has nothing to do with Paul at the moment… I want to learn more about the sobriety tests…Okay, if someone don’t have any alcohol in their system the test would read 0, right?… That’s all I want to know honestly.
    Thanks

  35. Just watch the “Exclusive Video” on TMZ, which shows absolutely nothing but Paul Pierece being quiet and cooperative with Police.

    LOL.

    This whole thing is a ridiculous non-story.

  36. Just for a bit of math, using this website (which is not a perfect measurement but can give some guess) http://www.rupissed.com/

    Someone Pierce’s size/weight could drink 9 “heavy” beers in 2 hours and his BAC would be exactly 0.8. Drinking 2 beers in 2 hours would register 0.002

    You can play around with the numbers to see what you get.

  37. “This whole thing is a ridiculous non-story.”

    It clearly isn’t if what you claim about this investigation is true: Pierce’s civil rights were violated. Driving while Black, no?

    “You said earlier “He was in fact Drinking”.”

    Well, it is possible that his car has the new “Bombay Sapphire Gin” car deodorizer, sure. I’ll give you that.

  38. This is really a non-issue. No one got hurt, no blows were thrown, no drugs were planted, no high speed chase, no one got raped, nobody went to jail or even got a ticket. Paul did everything right, getting a cab was just another sign of intelligence, by letting the cops save some face for harassing him.

  39. Y’all wasting your time on a tabloid story. Wake me up when someone actually breaks the law or is arrested.

  40. I’d like to thank Danno for being the voice of reason throughout this non-thread. DWB, indeed.

  41. Seriously though, It’s just plain silly.

    The guy isn’t “still partying” as the article chuck wrote suggests. HE LIVES IN VEGAS during the offseason.

    He wasn’t arrested. He wasn’t even cited. He didn’t fail 3 separate sobriety tests.

    And he opted to take a cab home.

    Yeah, sounds like he was really living it up by doing EVERYTHING right.

  42. yeah i have to agree with danno.

    if i was paul -shit, if i was me- and i got pulled over, especially for a suspected dui (or dwb), i’m walking home or taking a cab or bus. fuck that. i know someone who was pulled over 3 times in ten minutes for the same thing (broken headlight) by the same cop.

    for all we know, they were going to give paul another 16 tests, and he offered to take a cab so they would just let him go home.

    this offseason sucks. last year we were swinging trades and signing veterans left and right.

  43. Actually I don’t think it should be a wake up call. He was pulled over and was not found driving drunk so what would the problem be? He didn’t use his blinker and got pulled over. I say rock on Paul and enjoy life.

  44. All this talk about “Driving While Black/Brown” is really a sad indicator that we all believe we are victims in this country. Being “brown” myself, it’s insulting to perpetuate the myth that my destiny is based upon the color of my skin. All this self-pity bullshit needs to end if we expect to advance as a culture.

    The “DWB” nonsense is nothing but excuse making – not understanding circumstances – not taking responsibility.

  45. I’m all for taking responsibility and advancing culture, but part of advancing culture is eliminate blatant racial profiling by law enforcement. One only need look at the arrest statistics in any major city, or the inmate population of our prisons, to know that the playing field is not even.

  46. 45 posts for this story. Unbelievable. Please let the season start soon so we have something to talk about.

  47. I’m confused as to why folks immediately call Paul guilty and not in teh right when he passed three tests, including the breathalizer and was not even given a traffic citation . What that tells me is that he wasn’t even driving erratically to indicate to the police officers that he was drunk since had he passed the breathalizer and still displayed reckless driving, they would have cited him. But they didn’t.

    If a person cooperates fully – passes all the tests – is not cited for ANYTHING – then I don’t get why folks are still calling him guilty and drunk and reckless? Come on folks – that’s not fair and you know it. We have systems in place to help draw the line so we can know when someone has broken a law. Not only was he below the limit, the cops said he could drive. If you have such faith in these cops, that they were doing their jobs to the highest level, then why would they let him get back in the car and drive away? He chose to take a cab (and dude, like Paul knows whether he can be pulled over again. I didn’t know that – I got pulled over once and was freaked out til I got home that it would happen again. there happen to be a few people out there who do not spend time googling police laws in their free time).

    As for the whole profiling bit – I’m not as concerned about the police and if they pulled him over because he was black. Whether or not they were profiling, as a black man, when you are pulled over, it does go through your mind and it is scary. I see Paul’s decision to take a cab home as being one of trying to make sure nothing untoward can be made up or said about his actions.

    So maybe let’s be chill with Paul here and for those who want to jump on him for something – wait til a better incident comes along…;-)

  48. You have to remember Denice – these are just jealous LA fans trolling this site looking to argue with people, because they are still bitter from getting their asses stomped in June.

  49. “I’m all for taking responsibility and advancing culture, but part of advancing culture is eliminate blatant racial profiling by law enforcement. One only need look at the arrest statistics in any major city, or the inmate population of our prisons, to know that the playing field is not even.”

    You’re not for advancing culture if you’re blaming the criminal justice system. That’s more excuse making.

    If you want to advance culture, you don’t fight the symptoms, you fight the disease.

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