The Negativity In This Town Sucks

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Jesus Christ… one bad game out of the Celtics and I see a deluge of “oh, we’ll never repeat with all these turnovers” comments.

Well, I’m gonna keep this short and sweet.

  • 2007-2008 Celtics:  14.4 turnovers per game.
  • 2008-2009 Celtics:  14.5 turnovers per game.

So can it with the “turnovers are gonna kill us” stuff.  A bad stretch while missing a third of your team and integrating two new players who are forced to play big minutes (one of them being a point guard forced to start twice after a year and a half off) doesn’t mean squat.

The Celtics are turning the ball over at the same rate they did last year and we were fine.

And what pisses me off most is you made me quote Rick Pitino.



19 Responses

  1. do you and chuck need to hug it out?

  2. Just some friendly back and forth

  3. I will say this – Paul Pierce has looked absolutely dreadful for about two weeks now. I don’t know if it’s a lack of rest, or the minutes he’s playing, but he’s been sloppy, making really dumb passes that get picked off, and getting his pocket picked every other time up the floor, and that’s when he’s not front rimming 15 footers.

    Dude needs a break.

  4. I don’t believe your stats. Mainly because they do not support my side of the argument.

  5. Ha ha!

  6. I would love to see KG and Baby come roaring back on Friday and blow out the Spurs by 20.

  7. “Kevin, Glen, Scal, and Tony they will walk through that door and we will be fine”

    I am just sitting back to see how this thing plays out – Guys coming off injuries don’t automatically equal to victories. Its going to take every practice and every game for all the guys to gel before the playoffs start. Seeding? I care about it cause I think its important to have home court advantage but if we don’t get it so be it. Go to battle with the soldiers we have.

  8. A more relevant stat would be the probability of a turnover per possession, which I think is significantly higher this year over last.

    Looks like Paul’s tired and Doc’s a bit lost and confused.

  9. Probability of turnover per possession? I can’t even begin to think how that would be calculated.

    Sorry DRJ… you can’t fabricate a stat, say it’s way up, and use that as a basis for your argument.

    Turnovers might be up over the past month (I don’t know, I haven’t calculated that), but there’s an easy explanation for that.

    The Celtics are going to turn the ball over, mainly because Rondo is pushing the ball a lot and sometimes you’re gonna lose control of the ball. That’s not a turnover that bothers many coaches. The turnovers we saw yesterday were horrible. But how many times have the C’s been THAT careless with the ball? And how many times have they forced just as many, or more, turnovers per game?

    My whole point to everyone is…. relax.

  10. We will get the guys back, finish the season strong and most likely grab the 2 seed. Which means if we get where we are supposed to be it’s gonna mean beating the cavaliers on their home court. Only one team has done that this year, and it is the team we spanked in the finals. As long as everyone is healthy there is no reason to think we can’t repeat.

  11. HC would be nice, but knowing how good this team is (when full strength and with full effort) I’ve never been that concerned about winning a playoff game on the road. Last year’s first two rounds mean nothing compared to the final two and it was proven they can win on the road.

    Get healthy, get rested, come out in the playoffs full force and the Celts will be more than fine. It’s just disappointing to see these lapses recently, but overall the sky isn’t falling by any means. If anything, the bench getting extra play and the team dealing with a little adversity and frustration might pay off. I’d much rather them lull now than in the playoffs.

  12. reds– turnovers per possession is a listed stat.. called TO% usually… reported as turnovers per 100 possessions or just a percentage (same thing). Depending on whose stats you trust, this year’s team is generating between 6% and 9% more TOs per possession (or per 100).

    Our team leader for TOs is Paul, unfortunately, with 195 so far this year, 2.9 per game. For a non-guard, that’s pretty bad. (For comparison, Rondo has less, at 177.) Ray’s TOs are not great either. So while we expect Rondo to have a certain number of TOs, his are not the problem… they’re actually pretty good for a PG. But Paul’s, and to a lesser extent Ray’s… those are not good.

    As for how we compare to opponents, we are averaging 1.1 more TOs per game that the opponents we have played.

    Maybe it’s a focus thing… maybe they’re slacking off a bit waiting for the playoffs… but TOs are definitely a problem.

    I believe that with the full focus of the playoffs and the roster back to something near normal, the TOs will improve and the Cs will get back to the Finals. Even with 25 TOs, yesterday’s game was close. But there is one thing I’m sure of… if the TOs continue as they have been going lately, we will certainly not make it.

  13. Paul’s TO’s per game last year: 2.76
    This year: 2.91

    More, but not a material difference.

    And I’m surprised that someone who bashes refs on a regular basis wouldn’t defend some of Paul’s turnovers as fouls that weren’t called.

    Rondo’s turnovers are up from 1.91 to 2.72… but his assists are up from 5.1 to 8.4.

    Ray’s turnovers are unchanged from last year.

    KG’s are down.

    Perk’s are up from 1.6 to 2.15.

    Are any of these so shockingly bad? No.

    We’re fine.

  14. I think we will be fine too. TOs are a problem, but they will overcome.

    I was just thinking that I should have mentioned that a good number of the team’s TOs are bullshit ref calls… several in yesterday’s game, for example. One gets tired of repeating how bad the refs are… (Sometimes I wish the Cs would just break up already so I could stop following the NBA altogether. The only non-C player I have any interest in is DWade, and that’s not enough to keep me watching the travesty that is NBA officiating.)

  15. Thx red-good stuff. They are missing their leader-plain and simple. I have been to about 10 games this year where KG played, and 5 where he didn’t. The energy in that building, hell the energy on Causeway St just isn’t the same. I know Rondo “makes the offense go” and Ray and Paul do a bulk of the scoring, but I think that dreadful performance against the Bucks yesterday was a great example of how this team misses it’s spiritual leader. It sounds cliche, but when KG comes back, things will change-the attitude will change, the fans will change, the impact of “The Jungle” will change. And change is good. They still need to cut down the TO’s a bit though…lol..

  16. Dude, love it. You are dead on. How are people panicking? They are still in the top 3 in the East. Tony Allens been all out what seems all year. Rondo has missed games, Scal (who had been great) is out indefinitely, Baby’s been out, and KG our leader, energy and defensive glue is about to come back with a full battery……when you think about all this, and also think about how much better Marbury and Moore have been playing over the last handful of games, teams should be scared…..relax hypochondriac Boston sports fans….actin like we haven’t run this decade of sports……

  17. I predict they’re probably going to be frustrating for the rest of the season but will steamroll through the competition in the playoffs. When has this team ever allowed anyone to have the last laugh when they hit a rough patch? They always bounce back in time to make the critics look stupid.

  18. […] Sunday’s gross 25-turnover performance against Milwaukee has Celtics Hub and Celtics Blog fretting about the C’s league-worst turnover rate while Red’s Army tries to reassure us by quoting Rick Pitino.   […]

  19. thanks to whoever posted that celticshub article, “turnover crisis?” it’s an excellent review, with good stats, even explains some of the discrepancies.

    bottom line: the TOs have been bad, but teams have won championships with high TOs, and we have reason to expect a big improvement in the playoffs. pretty much what’s been said here.

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